Benjamin Corey is a formerly fundamentalist Christian scholar who claims to have had some fruitful dialogue with atheists. Having examined the evidence, I agree with that claim.
But he remains puzzled by a tendency I too have noticed: atheists often read the Bible just like fundamentalists!
For instance, Corey has fun rebutting an atheist who accuses a “devout” Christian girl of hypocrisy for having tattoos, because those are supposedly forbidden by the Bible—if you read the Bible like a fundamentalist.
As a Christian myself, I’ve been accused by atheists of inconsistency for holding that neither Christians nor theists in general need believe that God created the universe in literally six 24-hour periods, somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. It’s as if I can’t be a creationist at all without being what’s called a young-earth creationist. That would be news to St. Augustine as well as to many respectable contemporary Christian thinkers. And of course atheists such as Richard Dawkins, as well as many religious believers, are morally repelled by the God of the Old Testament, who seems to order the Jews to commit genocide on at least one occasion.
To understand why reading the Bible like that is a problem for atheists, we first need to consider how the term “fundamentalism” has evolved.
As used nowadays, it’s often just a term of opprobrium for any form of religion too traditional for the speaker’s tastes. But its original, century-old meaning was a kind of theological program: returning to certain tenets taken as “fundamental” by American Protestant evangelicals in reaction to the “Social Gospel.” After the Scopes “Monkey” Trial of 1926, which was about the teaching of evolution, it came to mean a consistently “literal” interpretation of the Bible—especially the literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.
This last sense of term is the one Corey has in mind. He wonders why atheists and fundamentalists alike so often interpret the Bible so literally (or literalistically).
And he’s right to wonder. For one thing, nobody reads the Bible that way consistently. Few believers who call themselves fundamentalists, for example, believe that homosexual acts between men should be punished by execution, as the Book of Leviticus calls for. Hardly any actual fundamentalists would agree that when Jesus said of a piece of bread at the Last Supper “This is my body,” he himself meant that statement literally. (Catholics and Orthodox do believe he meant it literally; but they don’t think we need to be young-earth creationists.)
So if not even fundamentalists can manage a consistently literal interpretation, why should atheists expect them to, or even try to themselves?
I used to think the explanation consisted exclusively of two facts: Fundamentalism makes an easy target for skeptical criticism, and many atheists have no familiarity with any other form of religiosity.
But that’s only part of the explanation. It doesn’t tell us why atheists, who generally pride themselves on being intellectually responsible, often fail to exercise that responsibility by learning how different churches and theologians can, and do, read the Bible in non-fundamentalist ways.
I suspect it’s because getting motivated to achieve such a sophisticated understanding of the varieties of religious belief would require a degree of sympathy with the subject matter that few atheists enjoy. The responsible thing for them to do would be simply to admit that and be more circumspect about critiquing “religion.”
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Zachary Bower
July 23, 2023, 9:52 pm"But he remains puzzled by a tendency I too have noticed: atheists often read the Bible just like fundamentalists!"
I'm confused why you're confused, but it seems very simple to me, so I'll just explain it: It makes sense that communication should work in a straightforward way. With this comment, for instance, I'm just plainly telling you what my position is. You don't need some sophisticated linguistic method to "interpret" what I "really mean." So, if the Bible is indeed "the word of God," it stands to reason that we should be able to read it plainly & understand God's thoughts. That we can't do that is a feature of the argument, not a bug.
"To understand why reading the Bible like that is a problem for atheists, we first need to consider how the term “fundamentalism” has evolved."
No, we really don't. You can just say, "The Bible isn't meant to be read this way because of X, Y, & Z." Again, this roundabout communication is a huge red flag. It makes me wonder, if you have a good reason why my reasoning is wrong, why don't you just give it to me directly instead of beating around the bush?
"And he’s right to wonder. For one thing, nobody reads the Bible that way consistently."
Okay, I'm very unclear what you're actually talking about here. You lump in Jesus talking about bread as "his body" with Leviticus calling for gay people to be executed. Those aren't the same thing. One is probably a metaphor, but the other is something the Bible clearly says to do that is not being followed variously either because it conflicts with the reader's morality or they just don't think they can get away with saying that, although I will point out that I've seen a fair few who HAVE said that. I don't know of any atheist who literally says there isn't a single figure of speech in the Bible, so that reads like a strawman. What we're talking about is things like Leviticus: Things that the Bible clearly gives as instructions or facts that are nonsensical.
Pointing out that many Christians don't believe or follow those doesn't refute the point: We think it's doublethink to not believe these parts of "God's word" but try to come up with a reason it somehow doesn't mean what it says to justify following Christianity anyway. I don't require any such mental gymnastics, for me it's just "The Bible says the universe was created in 7 days, well that's obviously not true, so I guess I'm not a Christian" just over & over again about things the Bible gets wrong or commands when I don't think it should.
"So if not even fundamentalists can manage a consistently literal interpretation, why should atheists expect them to, or even try to themselves?"
What you said isn't even a reason why Fundamentalists can't actually be literalists, the real reason is that many things that are clearly supposed to be literally true in the Bible are contradictory with themselves, let alone with reality. That's a failure for them because they're trying to follow the book, but I'm not, so pointing out that a book contradicts itself is not a failure on my part. If I was incorrect about the contradiction, sure, but that's not what's being shown here.
"But that’s only part of the explanation. It doesn’t tell us why atheists, who generally pride themselves on being intellectually responsible, often fail to exercise that responsibility by learning how different churches and theologians can, and do, read the Bible in non-fundamentalist ways."
We know you do that; we couldn't say it's inconsistent if we didn't know it happened. But Christians never explain how less straightforward interpretations are somehow more correct, they just like imply we're idiots for not already agreeing to that without any proof.
For the last part, I would counter that it would be more responsible for YOU to just ask atheists about our opinions instead of relying on some weird mind-reading power you apparently think you have. I'd add that many studies have shown atheists actually tend to be more likely to understand different religious beliefs, so while it would be very convenient for you if we were simply willfully ignorant, the evidence doesn't really bear that out. Also, that sounds a lot like the Fundamentalist "You just deny God because you're mad" line, so are you SURE your views are really harder to criticize than theirs?
REPLYMakaneek
July 25, 2024, 1:44 pmZachary, everything you wrote is informed by your upbringing and in a different culture you would process books differently, not just the Bible
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gary
March 28, 2025, 7:13 pmImagine exploring a primitive forest in a third world country. You come across the village of a small group of indigenous people. They tell you about their customs including stories about their god, the gum tree in the center of the village. They ask you if you believe in the gum tree god. You politely respond that you do not. The villagers shake their heads and look at you with pity.
“You do not believe in the gum tree god because you lack sufficient knowledge, “ they inform you.
Silly, right? You don’t need to know anything about the gum tree god to know this belief is nonsense.
Ditto for Christian superstitions. When a Christian apologist, pastor, or theologian tells you that you do not possess sufficient knowledge to understand the complexities of Christian doctrine and teachings, such as the Trinity, the Incarnation, or the Indwelling of the Holy Ghost, your response should be the same:
I do not need to know the complexities of Christian superstitions before denouncing them as nonsense.
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